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Mike's been with Dot since 2020, and has been covering esports since 2018.","url":"https:\/\/dotesports.com\/author\/michaelkelly"}]}},"raw_content":"World of Warcraft\u2019s philosophy towards Mythic+ dungeons has changed immensely over the last year, with dungeons from expansions past returning to the current expansion\u2019s dungeon pool. Maps from as far back as the Cataclysm expansion are being brought into Dragonflight\u2019s Mythic+ rotation, and it\u2019s obvious that Blizzard Entertainment is willing to welcome some of WoW\u2019s older content back into the fold.\u00a0 But what if we pushed the boundaries of what can and can\u2019t be considered for WoW\u2019s Mythic+ pool even further? What if we started to look at old raids and their viability as current Mythic+ dungeons?\u00a0 If Blizzard is comfortable enough to bring back dungeons from past expansions into the Mythic+ pool, they might be able to do so with raids, albeit with a bit of scaling down to do. While it\u2019s not feasible for epic, dozen-boss raids to be treated like dungeons, breaking down raids into smaller chunks of themselves could perhaps work in the Mythic+ ecosystem.\u00a0 Here\u2019s how some of WoW\u2019s raids could become Mythic+ dungeons, as well as some of the strongest potential candidates that might fit the bill.\u00a0 The art of converting raids to dungeons Raids are typically designed with anywhere between 10 and 30 players in mind, as they\u2019re able to scale depending on the size of your raid. Mythic+ teams are hard-capped at five players, though, meaning the flexibility of raids would have to be sidelined. Additionally, raids would need to have their enemies\u2019 health and damage scaled down to accommodate for a better five-player experience. Notable exceptions would be raids whose boss fights take place in massive rooms (like most end-bosses), as some encounters are just too large in scale for five players to handle on their own.\u00a0\u00a0 If there was ever to be a raid as a Mythic+ dungeon, we\u2019d likely have to settle for only a portion of a raid, as lengthy instances could tend to prove counterintuitive to the timed nature of Mythic+ dungeons. Luckily, WoW already has a system in place that breaks raids down into smaller chunks, and it\u2019s more obvious than you might realize.\u00a0 Related: 4 potential WoW plotlines we want to see come true before Dragonflight ends With the release of each raid, the Looking For Raid tool divides the raid into four sections, each of which only has three to four bosses. These LFR \u201cwings\u201d could very easily serve as a template for a dungeon, assuming they fit certain criteria.\u00a0 Turning an LFR wing into a Mythic+ dungeon could be as simple as taking the pre-existing template for the raid section and scaling it down for five players. While some enemies may need to be added or subtracted in certain portions of the would-be dungeon, converting an already-existing instance into another type of instance could just be a matter of tuning and balancing.\u00a0 The best candidates\u00a0 When picking an already-existing chunk out of a raid to serve as a Mythic+ dungeon, you\u2019ll ideally need to check a few boxes. First, its bosses can\u2019t have wide-spanning mechanics that only work in raid-wide environments or large rooms. Second, bosses and trash packs cannot have any unreasonable mechanics that would be impossible to deal with on Tyrannical or Fortified weeks. And finally, the dungeon as a whole needs to fit the typical 30-to-40-minute time frame of a Mythic+ dungeon.\u00a0 As a bonus, you want something that\u2019s ideally not linear and gives players a chance to draw up their own routes. Being able to pick and choose the order in which you complete a dungeon\u2019s enemies and bosses is part of the broad appeal of some Mythic+ dungeons, so a raid wing that has an unstructured boss order would be a top option. Hellfire Citadel - Bastion of Shadows Hellfire Citadel\u2019s midsection could be a strong option as a Mythic+ dungeon, considering the multiple routing options that players could take in between Socrethar and Velhari. Alternatively, the wing could be adjusted to include bosses from the section of the raid\u2019s map called \u201cGrommash\u2019s Torment,\u201d which includes Fel Lord Zakuun and Xhul\u2019Horac, as well as a looping layout of enemy forces that can be completed in any order.\u00a0 Tomb of Sargeras - The Gates of Hell The introductory wing of the Tomb of Sargeras features three bosses: Goroth, Harjatan, and Mistress Sassz\u2019ine. Furthermore, a potential Mythic+ version of this instance should have no issue with trash mobs\u2014there\u2019s plenty in-between Harjatan and Misstress Sassz\u2019ine, some of which are even optional depending on your route. To make the instance more Mythic+ friendly, the opening section of the instance could do without the initial wave of trash mobs that spawn, while the Demonic Inquisition could be added as a potential extra boss.\u00a0 Mogu\u2019shan Vaults

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World of Warcraft<\/em>\u2019s philosophy towards Mythic+ dungeons has changed immensely over the last year, with dungeons from expansions past returning to the current expansion\u2019s dungeon pool. Maps from as far back as the Cataclysm <\/em>expansion<\/a> are being brought into Dragonflight<\/em>\u2019s Mythic+ rotation, and it\u2019s obvious that Blizzard Entertainment is willing to welcome some of WoW<\/em>\u2019s older content back into the fold.\u00a0<\/p>

But what if we pushed the boundaries of what can and can\u2019t be considered for WoW<\/em>\u2019s Mythic+ pool even further? What if we started to look at old raids <\/em>and their viability as current Mythic+ dungeons? <\/p>

If Blizzard is comfortable enough to bring back dungeons from past expansions into the Mythic+ pool<\/a>, they might be able to do so with raids, albeit with a bit of scaling down to do. While it\u2019s not feasible for epic, dozen-boss raids to be treated like dungeons, breaking down raids into smaller chunks of themselves could perhaps work in the Mythic+ ecosystem.\u00a0<\/p>

Here\u2019s how some of WoW<\/em>\u2019s raids could become Mythic+ dungeons, as well as some of the strongest potential candidates that might fit the bill. <\/p>